power wherever they can, makes its far more difficult for hour diplomats to know what to do next. >> jonathan, thank you. compounding all of this. north korea is the most corrupt nation in the world. tied with somalia and afghanistan as the most corrupt. that is according to a brand new survey from the watch dog group, transparency international. let's go over this. the manager editor of foreign affairs magazine is with us. good to see you. he's is going over to a list of the countries and we'll give him a lot to say here as well. we have some pictures i want to bring up on the monster board over here. these are the three countries that are the most corrupt in all the world, according to this list don't have any reason to doubt this. no political overtones. north korea, and how much maui geoff them. $1.2 billion since 1995. somalia $82.4 million per year, and afghanistan, $13 billion to bring -- $13 billion per year. what are we getting for our money? >> a good question. what you're pointing to here is one of the classic dilemmas in foreign policy. we don't get to choose our partners and we e